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Actually, I see "Moderator" under Alex's name now. http://www.hostboard.com/ubb/biggrin.gif
Man, I can feel the tension in here!
I'm sure this has been said here before, and maybe I shouldn't get involved since I'm new around these parts, but what the heck:
Seriously guys, calm down. There's no reason to start getting upset. I only started reading this board a couple of weeks ago, just in time to catch the end of the big brouhaha over the "DP" thread or whatever it was. I didn't see how it started, but I think I'm getting an idea now. Things just escalate step by step and pretty soon it's up to all-out war proportions. I guess that's how real wars get started.
For what it's worth, Roger, I felt like your post re: "What does it take to get a straight answer around here?" was pretty strongly worded. I for one, couldn't tell for sure if it was humorous or not - blame it on written communication! http://www.hostboard.com/ubb/smile.gif Maybe a smily face could have helped.
Then, Alex, your reaction post was pretty strongly worded as well - escalating the situation.
Let's take it easy and forget about it. Who cares really who said what? Alex and Roger, I generally find you both very informative and helpful in your postings here, and it would be a shame to lose either or you over stuff like this!
Peace, and don't beat me up to much! Remember I'm still new here!
Shenan
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Shenan - very well put.
And let's not steal Mike's thunder, my moderator tag has nothing to do with this board.
To quote a recent commercial "You are free to move about the country".
-Alex
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[This message has been edited by Alex (edited September 10, 2001).]
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I'm sure you have found this or similar information by now. I should have done this for my previous post.
Disc Makers replicates CDs, click the next button to see the excerpt about glass master and pressing.
http://www.discmakers.com/plant_tour/phototour.html
This explains the difference between the CD and DVD manufacturing process. Lots of tech talk just for Matt P.
http://www.disctronics.co.uk/manuf/dvdmanuf/mfgdvd3.htm
My assumptions about the glass master were incorect. I learn something new every day http://www.hostboard.com/ubb/smile.gif
-trevor
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[This message has been edited by trevorbr (edited September 07, 2001).]
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Courier, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Alex:
" Either you make DVD's one at a time, or you make em by the thousands...
The point is, the independent filmmaker that wants to make 10, or 20, or 50 DVD's is shut out.
-Alex
(Matt Pacini responds):
Well, I think the point of the topic was what the person who posted says the point is, and that was Scott offering DVD services.
I think swinging the topic off into another direction, then proclaiming that the topic, is a little silly.
We can all have our own opinions, we have that right, and I don't think anyone (other than M. Brantley) has the right to say we're out of line for simply commenting.
By the way, get a sense of humor, folks! Jeez!
Matt....
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I'd say this topic is baked. The bottom line is it's just a tool, and ultimately gives more options and choices to deliver film. If anybody wants to start a new thread on DVD topics start them up. I am extremely busy putting work together for my documentary....this board provides sanity when I need it(for those with a sense of humor now is the time to laugh your ass off). I enjoy discussions here and welcome some fresh topics.......so let's move on and if DVD comes up I may chime in.
Scott
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Courier, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Alex:
Scott, could you take your computer files that you use to make one DVD, and bring it to a mass duplicator that makes glass master DVD's, and have them make you a glass master for purposes of Mass DVD reproduction?
-Alex
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Scott: I don't think you answered this question.
-Alex
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Courier, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Matt Pacini:
quote:
Originally posted by Alex: " Either you make DVD's one at a time, or you make em by the
thousands...The point is, the independent filmmaker that wants to make 10, or 20,
or 50 DVD's is shut out.
-Alex
(Matt Pacini responds):
Well, I think the point of the topic was what the person who posted says the point is, and that was Scott offering DVD services.
I think swinging the topic off into another direction, then proclaiming that the topic, is a little silly.
We can all have our own opinions, we have that right, and I don't think anyone (other than M. Brantley) has the right to say we're out of line for simply commenting.
By the way, get a sense of humor, folks! Jeez!
Matt....
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Matt, you misquoted me...this is what I said
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Courier, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Alex:
(to Matt P.)
You know, just because Roger asks a minor question doesn't mean all the other points in this topic suddenly have no relevance...
...and frankly, it is a ridiculous reason to start denigrating this topic just because Roger feels avoided.
Either you make DVD's one at a time, or you make em by the thousands...
The point is, the independent filmmaker that wants to make 10, or 20, or 50 DVD's is shut out.
-Alex
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There were a few questions I asked early on that didn't get answered, I never made a big deal about it.
Suddenly, Mattias, Roger, and Matt P are ridiculing the topic in general or my posts specifically.
Whatever. I guess I shouldn't be surprised, now should I.
But to stay on point,
Scott, if you make a test DVD for someone, and they like it, can you take the files you used to make one DVD to a mass duplicator so they can make a glass master....so instead of us paying the mass duplicator top dollar for the design of a glass master, we pay you to design the DVD, (at hopefully a decent price for you but considerably less than what the duplicator wants) then you act as our rep and have the glass master made at presumeably a much cheaper price than if we went DIRECTLY to the mass duplicator and had them design the whole thing from scratch.
-Alex
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Well, to end my statements on this subject...
Scott, I do intend on doing this at some point.
It would be great to have my feature on DVD, and also excerpts from the documentary made of the movie, and some other short stuff I've done, as a quality demo reel (with no reels!), but it may be some months.
If you want to keep me on your email list & contact me in a few months if you haven't heard from me, that would be great.
[email protected]
But having just one DVD is really a vanity thing.
Nobody is going to give out their only DVD copy of their stuff, so yeah, 10 or 20 or more is what most of us probably are looking at.
You should figure out a price that you would charge for 5, 10, 15, 20 or whatever, and post it here.
Unless that price gets just multiplied for each copy (ouch!)
Matt Pacini
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> This is the secret sauce to DVD manufacturing. The DVD Designer can choose how much memory to allocate to individual frames.
the "DVD designer" doesn't have to do this. automatic vbr-encoding using a two pass process is very effective and is built in to most encoders. i'm sure some companies make their dvd more carefully using special software and techniques such as the one you're describing, but that's beside the point since you don't *have to* do any magic to fit an entire move on a single dvd.
> I understood what you meant, I'm saying 4.7 gigabytes may be a lot, but it is not enough.
yes it is.
> Do you have any idea how many gigabytes it would take to make a D-1 master from a 35mm movie, than put it on to harddrives uncompressed...
d1? what on earth are you talking about? a dvd uses mpeg-2 compression, nothing more, nothing less. as for me having "any idea," you should know by now that i have much more than an idea. i make my living doing digital video editing for christ's sake.
/matt
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Courier, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by mattias:
> This is the secret sauce to DVD manufacturing. The DVD Designer can choose how much memory to allocate to individual frames.
the "DVD designer" doesn't have to do this. automatic vbr-encoding using a two pass process is very effective and is built in to most encoders. i'm sure some companies make their dvd more carefully using special software and techniques such as the one you're describing, but that's beside the point since you don't *have to* do any magic to fit an entire move on a single dvd.
> I understood what you meant, I'm saying 4.7 gigabytes may be a lot, but it is not enough.
yes it is.
> Do you have any idea how many gigabytes it would take to make a D-1 master from a 35mm movie, than put it on to harddrives uncompressed...
d1? what on earth are you talking about? a dvd uses mpeg-2 compression, nothing more, nothing less. as for me having "any idea," you should know by now that i have much more than an idea. i make my living doing digital video editing for christ's sake.
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When you are talking about a major motion picture release...
Studios spend a lot of money paying DVD designers to get the maximum ratio of a good looking picture to the gigabytes available.
Sure there are software packages that do a good job, but that is not good enough for the studios.
Every motion and every scene is scrutinized before a DVD is released, and changes are made
many times for some movies...
Guys in suits show up to see how a DVD looks before it is released to the general public, it is a politically explosive situation for major DVD releases because if the DVD is not compressed in the optimal fashion and the look of the picture or of the sound is compromised in an unacceptable way....heads will roll.
How many digital angels can dance on the head of a pin?
It depends on the DVD designer.
As you stated, no program written will achieve 100% effectiveness, a designer stands at the helm and helps steer the digital ship as needed.
The reason I bring up the issue of a D-1 master...that is the minimal quality a major motion picture likes to start with when making a DVD...all I am saying is if you compare the
final DVD with the amount of information that actually exists on the D-1 or higher master, it is a huge job getting onto 4.7 gigabytes, even 9 gigabytes from the amount of information that exists on the master being used to make the DVD.
-Alex
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